What a bunch of crap – you are committing a terrible injustice to all those victims of Islam.

Absolutely disgusting – but not unexpected from the cult of enslavement, death and LIES.

Kalki avatar will be of KRISHNA
not a terrorist MUHAMMAD.
He will wear a TILAKA on his forehead
His father’s name will be VISHNUYASH
pedophile muhammad’s father’s name was not
He will be born in INDIA not in ugly MUHAMMAD’s country ARABIA
He will be Son of BRAHMAN
terrorist MUHAMMAD was not a brahman nor his father was in fact he might not be having an idea about his real father

My argument was simply that, exactly the same logic could be applied to the claims of “caste based repression” in historical times. There are simply no contemporary records from the “victim” side.

There are quite a few studies, carefully kept out of public gaze, which find that a lot of these caste stuff was constructed or redefined by the British when they tried to reform and codify “colonial” law. Former mutual dependency relations were transformed into debt-bondage and slavery relations.

I do not need to read translations. I have read the whole of Chachnama as available in the original. The Eliott and Dowson translation is quite literal and authentic within limitations of English translation.

Have you thought carefully about what you are saying? That because Dahir apparently married his sister it was justified on the part of Qasim to enslave all the young women he could capture? Because of Dahir’s “crime” large scale massacres and conversion of Hindus or Buddhists (Samanis) were justified? The capture and enslavement of their women were justified?

What the Dalai Lamas aide says is irrelevant for the topic of discussion. The Tibetans were engaged in a tri-partite struggle between the then independent Hindu kingdom of Kashmir, Tibet and China against Islamic expansion in the latter part of the 1st millenium. This was a violent military one, and by no means a oh-so-peaceful-philosophical struggle.

And for your other parts,I suggest you read the actual Chachnama from the source, instead of Elliot or Andrew Wink’s version. Conquests by Arabs were not pretty but you do know that Dahir married his own sister right? Even the Brahmin priests didn’t want him to be king anymore. That’s all in the Chanchnama.

Also check out this link by Dalai lama’s aide and about Islam
http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/x/nav/n.html_1867868580.html

I don’t know if you will publish my comment but atleast you will read this and understand

Nonetheless, remember Indians have been extremely resistant to change. Although there has been influence thrown upon us through past conquerors but at the end of the day they stick with their original morals and values…

As blog policy, I have clearly stated that abusive posts without any logic, argument or restrained views, will not be published. But I am including this, as the net address from which this came indicates Middle Eastern kingdom which lies in the heartland of Islam. If the comment is indeed coming from an Islamic source, it expresses nicely the feelings expressed in the pages after pages of the Islamic chroniclers about India.

dikgaj

A definite great read..

-Bill-Bartmann

Every day, I see Muslims threatening and engaging in violence and terror (against civilians) to send their message. In Pakistan, 80 percent believe that anyone leaving Islam should be put to death…

This is not voluntary, but forced religion.

IS RELIGION FROM GOD OR MAN-MADE?

IS THE QUR’AN REALLY GOD’S SPEECH?

STATUS OF THE PROPHET

Prophet Muh{ammad, according to him, was basically a reformer who was very concerned about the state of his society:­ its illiteracy, ignorance, social evils like polygamy, infanticide, drinking (etc.), its material culture and idol worship. After all, he sat meditating in a cave for weeks even before the advent of the revelation. Fateh{puri@ mused that he must have been thinking about ways to cleanse his society of its ills and it seems, Islam turned out to be a good way of doing so.

Although other modernists also made an effort to humanise the Prophet, not many would have agreed with him that the Prophet had a personal agenda in bringing about Islam. The Prophet might have been concerned about his society, and there must have been a reason why he used to go to that cave, but there is no reason why these two things should be related. Apparently Fateh{puri@ was venturing here into the realm of pure speculation.

— JUHI SHAHIN

Excerpts from a newly published book in Pakistan: The War Within Islam: Niyaz Fateh{puri@’s Struggle Against The Fundamentalists
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http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=1221

http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/docLib/20060130_Current_Trends_v2.pdf

http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/docLib/20060217_TRENDS3_complete.pdf

http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/docLib/200702021_current_trends_v4.pdf

http://www.futureofmuslimworld.com/docLib/20070606_CT5v2.pdf

This is from the writing of Mir Sayyid Ali Hamadani (1314-1385 CE), a tolerant Islamic Sufi spiritual leader, in “Zakhiratulmaluk”

Pre partition, Muslims were a mere 7% of India and now even after granting the Muslims their own states in Pakistan and Bangladesh, the Muslims have grown to 18% of the total population of India. I fear that in due course of time, India will cease to be a majority Hindu nation. I would have no problem with Muslims being a majority if Islam gave other religions the kind of “affirmative action” protection that Muslims in India enjoy in a majority Hindu nation. However that will not be the case. Once India will be a majority Muslim nation, I fear that we will again witness a wholesale mass conversion of the remaining Hindus in India. It is all the more alarming that Indians don’t seem to care that in due course of time, whether through out-breeding or pacifism, their civilization that promoted so much philosophical discourse and natural sciences (prerequisites of success) will be replaced by a barbarian Wahabbi brand of medieval desert ideology that stifles all progressive, peaceful and liberal ideas.

The founder of my nation King Prithivi Narayan Shah had remarked in the process of unification of Nepal that he was building the “sakkal Hindustan” i.e. the truly pure land of the Hindus, unlike “Muglaan—ie the land of the Mughals.” Now the Maoists along with the backing of the UPA government have declared Nepal a secular state. I would have no problems with that because as a tolerant Hindu I feel that all religions have the right to exist IF they respect other religions and civilizations right to exist. But I fear it a part of the gradual and systematic decline of Hinduism in the Indian subcontinent proper including the last bastions of Hinduism like Nepal. It has been said that along the Nepalese border, there are countless Madrassas all funded with Middle Eastern oil money that preach an ideology of hate against Kaffir Hindus. This is the second phase in the total conversion of South Asia to Islam…and it looks increasingly inevitable.

Doniger’s thesis can be demolished quite easily – but it means discussing “hinduism”, which I am not sure I should go into right now. One of the primary contradictions of such works can be seen immediately even in the short summary by Mishra. That very “hinduism” which is “heterogenous”, non-unified, is also somehow strangely “syncretic”, “accommodating” at the same time. Were the “bhakti” cults not part of “hinduism” then? were they themselves homogeneous? (they definitely were not by Abrahaic standards of the West – for they were numerously subdivided into “sects” ) If they themselves were not homogenous, how could they all converge to similar or same ideals of “syncretism” and “accommodation”?

Doniger has a project that supplements the political need in a section of historians to delegitimize existence of underlying concepts of “cultural nationalism” and “unity” in the Bharatyia philosophies, incluidng its lokayata. For example she mentions the acceptance of atheism or agnosticism as part of “Hindu” philosophical tradition but carefully fails to mention that the eraliest proponents of such theories like Kapil in his Sankhyo, actually base their arguments on interpretations of the Vedas. Both atheists, and theists derive support from the same tradition and the very Sanskritic Vedas. Doniger of course cannot afford to highlight this. Doniger’s thesis is a complete failure of perception natural to someone who remains an alien in her outlook to the Bharatyia, and irrational in that inimitable way that only so-called professional historians can usually match.

Doniger sees only Sanskrit as a language of the minority elite. She ignores the linguistic dynamic of the subcontinent, the processes by which Sanskrit (itself meaning “re-edited/purified/cleaned”) was formed, and how it went through or generated prakrit, magdhi, odero-magdhi etc – giving rise to a majority of languages spoken now in India. Doniger’s lack of experience shows in her linguistic claims. Actually, more words of Sanskritic root are used at non-elite level than the elite level. It is at the elite level that loan-words and expresssions from Persian or Arabic or English manifest more, for obvious reasons of gerater interaction with foreign regimes.

Will think of whether this should take up a more elaborate response. Thanks for the ref, Observer!