Comments on: How Islam came to India and why now it needs to go from India -3 http://dikgaj.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/how-islam-came-to-india-and-why-now-it-needs-to-go-from-india-3/ Just another WordPress.com weblog Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:07:02 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Stealth Warrior http://dikgaj.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/how-islam-came-to-india-and-why-now-it-needs-to-go-from-india-3/#comment-513 Stealth Warrior Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:58:45 +0000 http://dikgaj.wordpress.com/?p=319#comment-513 Thanks mate, send me an email or post the list here when it's done. I'm the kind of person who's bought into the blame and shame game that's been a part of the west for decades (i.e; Europeans are the only slave traders, colonialism is the reason most evil exists in third world countries today, etc...), yet as I've aged, I've learned more about history and realised that all cultures have done evils in the past, and some of which affect the present. It seems funny how muslims go on about African slavery and British India, when most western powers did that for a few centuries and politically changed soon after to where it is today. Muslims have been enslaving African natives for over a thousand years, enslaving millions of concubines and eunuchs worldwide, and estimates go as high as 100 million slaves. Kind of shines a light on the obvious hypocrisy, and how muslims bury any memory of previous cultures of where they inhabit today. Thanks mate, send me an email or post the list here when it’s done.

I’m the kind of person who’s bought into the blame and shame game that’s been a part of the west for decades (i.e; Europeans are the only slave traders, colonialism is the reason most evil exists in third world countries today, etc…), yet as I’ve aged, I’ve learned more about history and realised that all cultures have done evils in the past, and some of which affect the present.

It seems funny how muslims go on about African slavery and British India, when most western powers did that for a few centuries and politically changed soon after to where it is today. Muslims have been enslaving African natives for over a thousand years, enslaving millions of concubines and eunuchs worldwide, and estimates go as high as 100 million slaves.

Kind of shines a light on the obvious hypocrisy, and how muslims bury any memory of previous cultures of where they inhabit today.

]]> By: dikgaj http://dikgaj.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/how-islam-came-to-india-and-why-now-it-needs-to-go-from-india-3/#comment-506 dikgaj Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:43:14 +0000 http://dikgaj.wordpress.com/?p=319#comment-506 I will try to make up a resource page on history, as there has been several requests for such. Please bear with me! I will try to make up a resource page on history, as there has been several requests for such. Please bear with me!

]]> By: Stealth Warrior http://dikgaj.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/how-islam-came-to-india-and-why-now-it-needs-to-go-from-india-3/#comment-500 Stealth Warrior Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:44:44 +0000 http://dikgaj.wordpress.com/?p=319#comment-500 Hey, I was cruising through and found your blogs on Indian history, and I have learned a lot here. Have you got a compiled list of books, references, and sources for this material? I would love to read it with a healthy scepticism and learn more about Indian history. Hey, I was cruising through and found your blogs on Indian history, and I have learned a lot here.

Have you got a compiled list of books, references, and sources for this material? I would love to read it with a healthy scepticism and learn more about Indian history.

]]> By: dikgaj http://dikgaj.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/how-islam-came-to-india-and-why-now-it-needs-to-go-from-india-3/#comment-244 dikgaj Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:43:54 +0000 http://dikgaj.wordpress.com/?p=319#comment-244 Dear Sabature, I am aware that Ali Sina's website is banned in several Islamic countries. However, there has been academic research on the topic of ex-Muslims, but because of the sensitivity of the topic, and for very obvious security concerns such research is not usually highlighted. If you have electronic access to MUSE or the SSRN (Social Sciences Research Network) you can search for this on your own. Given your current position within an Islamic country, I would rather not cause you any trouble by giving explicit references. I personally know of several Muslims who have left Islam who now live outside of their country of origin, and there are a significant and growing number of well documented cases in India. Are you tempted? Anyway, hopefully we will have a less bitter exchange in the future! Dear Sabature,
I am aware that Ali Sina’s website is banned in several Islamic countries. However, there has been academic research on the topic of ex-Muslims, but because of the sensitivity of the topic, and for very obvious security concerns such research is not usually highlighted. If you have electronic access to MUSE or the SSRN (Social Sciences Research Network) you can search for this on your own. Given your current position within an Islamic country, I would rather not cause you any trouble by giving explicit references. I personally know of several Muslims who have left Islam who now live outside of their country of origin, and there are a significant and growing number of well documented cases in India. Are you tempted? Anyway, hopefully we will have a less bitter exchange in the future!

]]> By: Sabature http://dikgaj.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/how-islam-came-to-india-and-why-now-it-needs-to-go-from-india-3/#comment-239 Sabature Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:15:55 +0000 http://dikgaj.wordpress.com/?p=319#comment-239 The website you have provided is not an authentic source used by Muslims and is Banned by the AUQAF (Muslim religious body all Muslims follow) Because it fabricates stories on its own... Have you actual done any research on your own? The website you have provided is not an authentic source used by Muslims and is Banned by the AUQAF (Muslim religious body all Muslims follow) Because it fabricates stories on its own…

Have you actual done any research on your own?

]]> By: dikgaj http://dikgaj.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/how-islam-came-to-india-and-why-now-it-needs-to-go-from-india-3/#comment-219 dikgaj Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:10:22 +0000 http://dikgaj.wordpress.com/?p=319#comment-219 For some views on this from the "inside" look at http://www.faithfreedom.org/index.htm. And here is just one quote from the Hadiths about POWS : Sunaan Abu Dawud: Book 38, Number 4390: Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair. After executing all the adult male Jews, Muhammad sent Sa’d b. Zayd al-Ansari with some captive women and children from the B. Qurayzah to Najd to sell them in the slave market. While we do not have an accurate price of a female slave during that time, Ibn Sa’d writes that Khadijah, Muhammad’s first wife, bought her slave, Zayd b. Haritha, (who would later become Muuhammad’s adopted son), for four hundred Dirhams at the slave market of Ukaz, Mecca. [the price of young slave varied from five hundred dirhams to eight hundred dirhams - Sunaan Abu Dawud hadith numbers, 3946 and 4563]. Among the captive was a young woman called Rayhanh bt. ‘Amr b. Khunafah and took her as his concubine. It is said that when Muhammad offered to make her his wife by embracing Islam, she declined. She preferred to remain a concubine to becoming a Muslim and said, “Messenger of God, rather leave me in your possession [as a concubine], for it is easier for me and for you.”. Look at my post on Karadzic and "Genocide of Bani Qurayzah Jews by Muhammad-February-March, 627" for a more detailed account. For some views on this from the “inside” look at http://www.faithfreedom.org/index.htm. And here is just one quote from the Hadiths about POWS :
Sunaan Abu Dawud:

Book 38, Number 4390:

Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:

I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.
After executing all the adult male Jews, Muhammad sent Sa’d b. Zayd al-Ansari with some captive women and children from the B. Qurayzah to Najd to sell them in the slave market. While we do not have an accurate price of a female slave during that time, Ibn Sa’d writes that Khadijah, Muhammad’s first wife, bought her slave, Zayd b. Haritha, (who would later become Muuhammad’s adopted son), for four hundred Dirhams at the slave market of Ukaz, Mecca. [the price of young slave varied from five hundred dirhams to eight hundred dirhams - Sunaan Abu Dawud hadith numbers, 3946 and 4563]. Among the captive was a young woman called Rayhanh bt. ‘Amr b. Khunafah and took her as his concubine. It is said that when Muhammad offered to make her his wife by embracing Islam, she declined. She preferred to remain a concubine to becoming a Muslim and said, “Messenger of God, rather leave me in your possession [as a concubine], for it is easier for me and for you.”.

Look at my post on Karadzic and “Genocide of Bani Qurayzah Jews by Muhammad-February-March, 627″ for a more detailed account.

]]> By: Sabature http://dikgaj.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/how-islam-came-to-india-and-why-now-it-needs-to-go-from-india-3/#comment-214 Sabature Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:43:22 +0000 http://dikgaj.wordpress.com/?p=319#comment-214 How to treat Non-Muslim prisoners of war according to Islam : http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544610 How to treat Non-Muslim prisoners of war according to Islam :

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544610

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