Comments on: How Islam came to India and why now it needs to go from India -2

By: Sandeep

Sandeep — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:07:02 +0000

wao…. I am zapped. Every day we see Bombs and sucide bombers and all in the name of islam.. why cant the bombers and islamic terrorist use the method of Gandhi or Pen now.. or it was the case 1400 years ago also..??

By: relegion

relegion — Fri, 11 Dec 2009 13:59:52 +0000

we do not islam in india ,this will take india in others hands.it is a pure political movement to save arab dominations.

By: no Dhimmi

no Dhimmi — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:38:41 +0000

“Historians know that Islam spread by the pen and not by conquering.”

What a bunch of crap – you are committing a terrible injustice to all those victims of Islam.

Absolutely disgusting – but not unexpected from the cult of enslavement, death and LIES.

By: proud_hindu

proud_hindu — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:59:14 +0000

refutal to foolish Sabature

Kalki avatar will be of KRISHNA
not a terrorist MUHAMMAD.
He will wear a TILAKA on his forehead
His father’s name will be VISHNUYASH
pedophile muhammad’s father’s name was not
He will be born in INDIA not in ugly MUHAMMAD’s country ARABIA
He will be Son of BRAHMAN
terrorist MUHAMMAD was not a brahman nor his father was in fact he might not be having an idea about his real father

By: PV

PV — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:28:05 +0000

Excellent Blog…I am going to refer this in the Facebook group Hinduism 2, where in A liar’s Zakir Naik’s lie is quoted for a debate on Hinduism…Very Very Nice blog.

By: dikgaj

dikgaj — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:39:32 +0000

You may be horrified. But the problem is a cold historical argument. The standard argument to deny Islamic atrocities is that those whom they are supposed to have murdered or enslaved have left little or no contemporary records of their “trauma”. Because we have not been able to view such records, the demand is that we must take all claims of such repression from Islamic authors as propaganda and false claims of self-glorification.

My argument was simply that, exactly the same logic could be applied to the claims of “caste based repression” in historical times. There are simply no contemporary records from the “victim” side.

There are quite a few studies, carefully kept out of public gaze, which find that a lot of these caste stuff was constructed or redefined by the British when they tried to reform and codify “colonial” law. Former mutual dependency relations were transformed into debt-bondage and slavery relations.

I do not need to read translations. I have read the whole of Chachnama as available in the original. The Eliott and Dowson translation is quite literal and authentic within limitations of English translation.

Have you thought carefully about what you are saying? That because Dahir apparently married his sister it was justified on the part of Qasim to enslave all the young women he could capture? Because of Dahir’s “crime” large scale massacres and conversion of Hindus or Buddhists (Samanis) were justified? The capture and enslavement of their women were justified?

What the Dalai Lamas aide says is irrelevant for the topic of discussion. The Tibetans were engaged in a tri-partite struggle between the then independent Hindu kingdom of Kashmir, Tibet and China against Islamic expansion in the latter part of the 1st millenium. This was a violent military one, and by no means a oh-so-peaceful-philosophical struggle.

By: Lalita

Lalita — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:43:15 +0000

I am horrified by your statement “in spite of the fact that there has been no records of trauma by the victims of caste repression in the period”. Basing of caste system on birth is the worst thing that happened to Indian society.

And for your other parts,I suggest you read the actual Chachnama from the source, instead of Elliot or Andrew Wink’s version. Conquests by Arabs were not pretty but you do know that Dahir married his own sister right? Even the Brahmin priests didn’t want him to be king anymore. That’s all in the Chanchnama.

Also check out this link by Dalai lama’s aide and about Islam
http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/x/nav/n.html_1867868580.html

I don’t know if you will publish my comment but atleast you will read this and understand

By: Jay Naggarajah

Jay Naggarajah — Tue, 06 Oct 2009 03:46:36 +0000

You make a great point…I have been thinking about this a lot too.

Nonetheless, remember Indians have been extremely resistant to change. Although there has been influence thrown upon us through past conquerors but at the end of the day they stick with their original morals and values…

By: Uttam

Uttam — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:43:05 +0000

Just looking at present day Muslims, it is almost impossible to believe that Islam spread peacefully in India.

Every day, I see Muslims threatening and engaging in violence and terror (against civilians) to send their message. In Pakistan, 80 percent believe that anyone leaving Islam should be put to death…

This is not voluntary, but forced religion.

By: yigalite

yigalite — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 05:06:10 +0000

dikgaj, your replies to the Sabature fellow were simply stupendous. Not to mention being full of wit and humor. This Sabature guy is a very good example of descendants of forcefully converted non-Muslims, who are in complete denial of how they came to be Muslims and instead try and sweep that under a veneer of idiotic nonsense, which only serves to blow the trumpet of their own stupidity, and fanatical ideological leanings. Maybe in a way, its their human conscience which deep down knows that the way Islam spread, and the way they came to be Muslims goes against any order of ethics, morals, or compassion. And so, their subconscious guilt and shame propels them to use subterfuge and legerdemain to try and subvert that truth. Nevertheless, my heartfelt thanks and warm wishes to you on this great blog. Satyameva Jayate!

By: Meeta

Meeta — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 03:39:13 +0000

The way these so called righteous Islamic Supporters type, the diction, the grammar and the manner in which they frame their sentences…is really sad. Just shows what a madrassa education does to you. Anyway I am much too cynical to care about religion but I would like to answer “why hindu r not reading Geeta”, unlike Islam and Christianity, our religion is not about reading dogmatic 7th century rules out of books, it is the adaptability and flexibility of our religion which allows us to practice it as we chose, as it pleases our hearts. We shall not be eternally condemned to hell for every single little thing we do in life nor are we going to receive 72 virgins, [or 92 idk] for killing people in the name of religion directed by the instructions of a book. The karma we do in a lifetime decides our fate, not how many times we pray or recite some phrases.

By: Abhishek Adhikari

Abhishek Adhikari — Tue, 26 May 2009 18:20:06 +0000

I am a Hindu from Nepal. My ancestors migrated to Nepal 800 years ago from Rajasthan following the Islamic invasions of India during the 1200s. It saddens me to see that the cradle of the great Vedic and Hindu civilization being slowly eroded over time due to the pacifist, secular and liberal nature of the majority Hindus.

Pre partition, Muslims were a mere 7% of India and now even after granting the Muslims their own states in Pakistan and Bangladesh, the Muslims have grown to 18% of the total population of India. I fear that in due course of time, India will cease to be a majority Hindu nation. I would have no problem with Muslims being a majority if Islam gave other religions the kind of “affirmative action” protection that Muslims in India enjoy in a majority Hindu nation. However that will not be the case. Once India will be a majority Muslim nation, I fear that we will again witness a wholesale mass conversion of the remaining Hindus in India. It is all the more alarming that Indians don’t seem to care that in due course of time, whether through out-breeding or pacifism, their civilization that promoted so much philosophical discourse and natural sciences (prerequisites of success) will be replaced by a barbarian Wahabbi brand of medieval desert ideology that stifles all progressive, peaceful and liberal ideas.

The founder of my nation King Prithivi Narayan Shah had remarked in the process of unification of Nepal that he was building the “sakkal Hindustan” i.e. the truly pure land of the Hindus, unlike “Muglaan—ie the land of the Mughals.” Now the Maoists along with the backing of the UPA government have declared Nepal a secular state. I would have no problems with that because as a tolerant Hindu I feel that all religions have the right to exist IF they respect other religions and civilizations right to exist. But I fear it a part of the gradual and systematic decline of Hinduism in the Indian subcontinent proper including the last bastions of Hinduism like Nepal. It has been said that along the Nepalese border, there are countless Madrassas all funded with Middle Eastern oil money that preach an ideology of hate against Kaffir Hindus. This is the second phase in the total conversion of South Asia to Islam…and it looks increasingly inevitable.

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By: dikgaj

dikgaj — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:52:22 +0000

Its probably a good thing that the “Hindu” is not reading the Geeta – for it urges the “warrior” not to hesitate to kill even closely related persons to establish “dharma” if these persons have done evil – and the context of that evil was “dispossesion from rightful inheritance” and molestation and attempted enslavement of a wife before the eyes of her husband – typical acts carroed out by the Islamic invaders in India from the time of the first Islamic raids on Sind. The Indian government did nothing either when Islamic leadership gave the call for direct action which translated into wholesale genocide, abduction, enslavement and rape of Hindu and Sikh women during the Partition of India. The Indian Government has done nothing either for the atrocities carried out on Hindus in Bangladesh most of whose survivors managed to flee to India. Read the history of Gujarat and Orissa even from the Islamic chroniclers themselves about what Muslim regimes have done there for nearly 700 years – such a long list of genocide, torture, murder, rape and abduction is not easily forgotten, in fact never forgotten. Moreover the record of Christianity is not completely untainted either – you can start with the records of the Portuguese and the Dutch who rampaged the eastern Indian coast as well as the west in the name of spreading “light”.

By: sam

sam — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 05:26:07 +0000

If BJP is gujarat kill innocent people, and BJP in
orrisa rape innocent nun. what indian govt is doing at
that time, where they all hindutva people who will told we are this we are that.

First of all, you know HIndu is not name of the religion is name given by arabic, persia to the people who are livving in hind region means it is goegraphical. The people from india dont no anything about this but they blindly follow this as religion.

Why people of India not reading Geeta, In india christian people 95% reading Bible, In Islam 97% people reading Quran, Why Hindu r not reading Geeta.

By: schan

schan — Sat, 07 Mar 2009 16:01:14 +0000

Islam is NOT a religion. We should call it what it is and not misuse the word religion.

By: Binoy Chowdary

Binoy Chowdary — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:03:20 +0000

Ashwani Aheer, interesting argument…

Let me take some time to answer your argument in a proper manner…

By: Binoy Chowdary

Binoy Chowdary — Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:59:07 +0000

I have a question for Mr. Sabature, (btw, I am neither Hindu nor Muslim). Where do you see in Vedas that Kalki would marry a much older Catholic woman named Aisha?

I agree with Anwar… I have many family & friends in Bahrain, Dubai etc, and there will be numerous Muslims from Saudi Arabia will be traveling to there every week for, you guessed it: women & alcohol.. and some of those women are from my State of Kerala, India, and are cheated/tricked by some dirty agents promising them work in such places (I am disgusted!) and they’re sex salves now. I mean, why the double standards?

Don’t get me started on Arabic Muslims’ treatment of lesser class Muslims from India, Pakistah, and especially from Bangladesh!

I know my Muslim brothers will be angry at me for saying this, but here comes the next double standard: I mean, almost all muslims in south east Asia and many in the middle east like North Indian actors(Bollywood), and approve their career. (Examples are Shah Ruk Khan, Salman Khan, Aamir Khan, Saif Ali Khan, Imran Khan and more, all are Muslims). It’s okay for them to hug/kiss/roll around/make love to other non-Muslim actresses(they’re all non-Muslim! and you wonder why!); It’s approved by the Muslim Majority! But oh no, Sania Mirsa gets death threats because she plays tennis wearing short skirts, or Shakeela in South Indian movie gets death threats/acid shower threats from Muslims for acting in sexy movies? Why the double standard?

Okay my next question should open a can of worms… Muslims believe their god (allah) is the most powerful god. Let’s just say for argument’s sake they’re right. If that’s true, can he not take care of himself? I mean if anyone mocks/blasphemes against him, why does a Muslim have to go after that person and kill/destroy him? If he is god himself, doh’t you think anyone who mocks him will surely get his punishment according to his(god’s) timing? This is what separates me from you, my friend! You can say all you want against my God, but I will not say/do anything against you because I know my God will have His revenge in His time. This should be true about anyone who believes in any religion, right? If his/her god is THE god, then they would have comfort & peace in knowing that their God would avenge all them that mocked him & persecuted his followers? If someone doesn’t have that assurance, I’d say his/her faith is in vain. Don’t you agree?

Everyone likes to believe what his/her beliefs are right. Any time anyone questions someone’s such beliefs would make them uncomfortable, insecure, and most of all, angry because everyone likes to stay in that little comfort zone of blind belief. And the only solution to such anger/discomfort/insecurity is to silence the question… correct me if I am wrong.

Most of the times, I feel Muslims are like some Communists in the state of Kerala, India. Any time someone convinces them they’re wrong, those communists will get violent against him/her.. In addition, their blatant hypocrisy has destroyed & delayed progress in that little state of kerala (I am sad) in the last 50 years.

My Muslim brothers, let’s be civil. Both you, me and whomever reading this, we’re all educated, and knowledgible… Otherwise we won’t be on this site… Please don’t tell me things such as “may allah grand you wisdom” or “I hope you burn in hell” and such. Let’s have some educated discussion. I hope at least one person sees my points, then I’ll be glad.

By: Ashank

Ashank — Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:16:03 +0000

I appreciate the efforts of author to document all the events in a precise manner. Those falsifying this precise historical data on no grounds or just stating ‘ May Allah give you some sense’ sound the most ignorant naive people. Anyways we all know for once and all that 16 % of population in india is a byprodcut of families with sword on neck or rape of unfortunate undefended ladies. Whoever they may be but they all were Indians, their genres had been living in India for years and had been very much a part of Indian culture for millenias before that.So anyone saying ‘Muslimo Bharat Chhodho’ is an irrational fool who fails to give a thought before speech. We also shall not ask our Muslim siblings to renounce their faith which their forefathers had been practising for long (even though if it started with rape of their great grannies). But they shall see a bigger picture. Its all about how Arabs enforced their forefathers to bow to Arabian lands for their blind faith for centuries rather than freely seeking rationale answers about God. They shall profess whatever faith they might like to, but they shall forbid the lifestyles of Arabians. The ‘Islamic Pahnava’ ( beards, muslin clothing and all) and other material culture be dictated by Islam shall be abolished, they shall be practised only as a function of their personal preferrences independent of what faith asks for. And also all women of our secular nation deserve equal human rights. That means muslim laws of divorce and marriage shall be replaced with common civil code.

By: ags

ags — Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:58:17 +0000

even now these muslims do the same… they migrate into different countries and claim independence. russia in chechenya, Jammu and kashmir in india… each and every part of the world its these muslims which are creating problems.

By: ronin

ronin — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:31:42 +0000

Greetings.
Could we, perhaps, make the asumption, that, perhaps, the “Indian” behaviour towards young girls ( infanticide ), may have, perhaps, originate or/and perhaps be a direct consequence of the Islamic Jihad against Hindus of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (638 to 1857) ?

By: santhosh

santhosh — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:39:20 +0000

so now the forcefully converted hindus are fightingh with their own blood in India. please find out a way to convince them.

By: Ashwani Aheer

Ashwani Aheer — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:46:21 +0000

EVERY MAN HAS A RELIGION OF HIS OWN.

Hinduism says as i have come to a conclusion after a long study that God is infinite and can be felt & realised in multiple ways,forms or dimensions.It is a Love,Kindness,Bliss and pure Conciousness.Every man has his own God or own religion as per his choice,temperament and ability. Every man has a freedom of faith and freedom of expression.Xtianity and Islam are very hatefull and hurtfull cults which do not tolerate other faiths.Hence I have decided to live like a hindu.

Why should you think God is only one? Why can’t He also be many? If He has
made man in His own image, what image is He? An African, a Mongolian, a
Caucasian, a Japanese, a Filipino? Why are there so many types of man, and so
many varieties of things?
There is not just one type of tree, not just one type of snake, cloud,
mosquito or vegetable – there is not just one type of anything, so why should
God be only one? How could this consciousness that manifested this whole
creation and loves variety, be monotonous? God seems to love different
varieties. He must be of infinite variety Himself. God can manifest in many
names, forms and varieties.
Some schools of thought may not give God the freedom to appear in His many
forms. They want Him in one uniform!
You change your appearance to suit the occasion. When such is the case, how
could you think there is no variety in the Spirit. The ancient people knew this
and that’s why they cognized the Divinity as infinite qualities and forms. The
Spirit is not dull and boring. The Spirit which is the basis of creation is
dynamic and ever changing. God is not only one, but is many!!!
When you accept the variety of Divinity you cease to be a fanatic or a
fundamentalist.
Tommy says God is many, God is One, he made so many just for fun.

Nusrat Ali

By: anwar

anwar — Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:06:48 +0000

islam is a religion of peace!! My foot. Only bad thing I see is that those who profess to be muslims today in Indonesia, pakistan,india, iran, iraq and many others in asia, middle east and africa–a re the product of rape of their great great grandmothers after killing their great great grandfathers by invading butchers of arabia and their newly converted (by force or byproduct of rape of their great greatgrandmothers again in surrounding countries to Saudi Arabia). Muslims of the world, listen and read Q’uran and Hadith and if you find truth of what is being narrated to you by learned people, it is high time you discard Muslim way of 7th century saudi arabia which was followed by mohammed and imposed on other more civilized societies of the world. If you donot believe me, go to saudi arabia and see how even today clans and tribes are more important and women are treated as an object of pleasure, how saudis visit Dubai or Bahrain every thursday to go and drink and womenize. Still donot believe? Ask the kings of Saudi arabia and Bahrain what is their favorite pastime? womenizing, drinking and their sons’ womenizing, drinking and gambling. At least people of great Indus Civilizations you are in majority in Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, Oman and Qatar- don’t you see how you are treated like a piece of shit by these arab muslims, your brethren in religion of mohammed. How they live and how they look at your wives and daughters (a few fotunate ones who hold good positions or in business)- lustful eyes, an object of pleasure. if you still don’t believe, okay, let all your daughters be left virgins for jihadists. that is what mohammed spoke in q’uran. You shameless fathers and grandfathers and brothers of muslims daughters, grandaugters and sisters- your fathers, grandfathers and brothers are afraid of deviating from Q’uran and Maulvis’ fatwas and you have to look around for non-muslims to come to your rescue. Go out and marry non-muslims and leave these shameless men to live in dark age of 7th century arabia, drink camel urine, kill each other (shias and sunnis and ahmedias and ismailies and many more sects within islam). Religion of Peace. Time has come to rest in peace!!

By: Dean Barrett, Thailand

Dean Barrett, Thailand — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:02:05 +0000

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog…No stronger retrograde force exists in the world (than Islam).” Winston Churchill

By: Dean Barrett, Thailand

Dean Barrett, Thailand — Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:01:05 +0000

“All religions take care to silence or to execute those who question them…It has, however, been some time since Judaism and Christianity resorted openly to torture and censorship. Not only did Islam begin by condemning all doubters to eternal fire, but it still claims the right to do so in almost all of its dominions, and still preaches that these same dominions can and must be extended by war.” – Christopher Hitchens, God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything

By: Religion of piss

Religion of piss — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:54:51 +0000

if ypu dont like india,

go and fuck yourselves in pakistan

but keep innocents away from islam’s blood lust!

By: JDS

JDS — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 03:46:09 +0000

Dikgaj: Thank you for you arguments against this blind, unreasonable, lying, ignorant [at best] Sabature. All one needs to do is look at how present day Islam conducts it’s self to have an idea that sabature’s post are nothing but lies. Why would one want to do so, or is it an inherent quality of Islam to do so?

By: Heil Heil

Heil Heil — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:47:28 +0000

i salute you dikgaj

By: Salauddeen

Salauddeen — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 02:26:09 +0000

Islam will leave India when the Muslims in
India stop paying obeisance to the Arabic city
of Makkah and stop naming themselves with
Arabic names – especially as too many of them
are quite ignorant of Arabic language and so
their names are quite offensive if not
risible!